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NC-11 Candidates at the 11th District Convention

Posted by Thunder Pig on April 28, 2008

cross-posted on WNC Citizens Blog.

Here is the entire debate in an 11 video play list. I edited the candidates last question and closing remarks as separate videos because I could not fit them on one video.

I would have had these up yesterday, but my internet connection died on me.

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Congressional Candidates Debate at the NC-11 District GOP Convention

Posted by Thunder Pig on April 27, 2008

Here is the first video of the debate among John Armor, Spence Campbell and Carl Mumpower.

I will post others to this post as I edit them.

This is the second one. There will be no more tonight because I am going to bed. I’ll post the rest here tomorrow.

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WWNC Radio Debate Videos for NC-11 GOP Primary

Posted by Thunder Pig on April 16, 2008


The playlist below is all ten videos covering the entire two-hour debate.

Candidate Websites

John Armor

Spence Campbell

Carl Mumpower

And the show website that they candidates appeared on:

Take A Stand

I might just take tomorrow off, and goof around all day, or go look for a job that’s easier than this internet stuff.

**update** 7.01 pm

Go here, if you want to see the videos individually.

Posted in 110th Congress, Carl Mumpower, Debate, GOP, john armor, NC-11, radio, Spence Campbell, WWNC | Leave a Comment »

NC-11 GOP Candidates Debate on WWNC-AM

Posted by Thunder Pig on April 15, 2008

The GOP Candidates for the NC-11 Congressional seat debated on the radio today on Matt Mttan’s “Take A Stand” Show, which airs on WWNC-AM 570.

It usually takes them a few days to put up the podcast, so here is the debate with the commercials edited out.

Download Hour One

Download Hour Two

Candidate websites

John Armor

Spence Campbell

Carl Mumpower

Posted in 2008, Carl Mumpower, Debate, Heath Shuler, john armor, radio, Spence Campbell, WWNC | Leave a Comment »

Congressional Candidates Debate in Flat Rock

Posted by Thunder Pig on April 10, 2008

FLAT ROCK — The $600 million “Road to Nowhere” could be back if the Republicans running for the 11th congressional district have their way.

At a debate at Flat Rock today, Highlands attorney John Armor, retired Army Col. Spence Campbell of Hendersonville and Asheville City Councilman Carl Mumpower described the 34-mile road through the Great Smoky Mountains National Park as a broken promise. Campbell and Mumpower said it should be built.

Source: Hendersonville News-Times

At least the candidates understand the importance of the North Shore Road.

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NC-11 GOP Debate in Macon County

Posted by Thunder Pig on March 30, 2008

The player will advance automatically from video to video so that you may watch the entire debate from beginning to end.

Posted in Carl Mumpower, Debate, Franklin, GOP, Heath Shuler, john armor, Macon County, NC-11, primary, Spence Campbell | Leave a Comment »

Macon County GOP Convention Part I

Posted by Thunder Pig on March 30, 2008

I attended the Macon County GOP Convention today, and took lots of video and lots of photos. I was amazed at the spirited debate among the three Congressional candidates, and wowed by the state level candidates, who all spoke eloquently.

I also found out my video editing software doesn’t like large files. So, after three hours of processing, the hour long video of the debate was unusable. So, I am chopping the debate into You Tube sized chunks. THis is the first, then I am going to bed, and will process the rest tomorrow.

Posted in candidates, Carl Mumpower, Debate, GOP, john armor, Macon County, Spence Campbell, video | Leave a Comment »

John Armor, Fred Smith Win Macon County Straw Poll

Posted by Thunder Pig on March 29, 2008

Here are the results of the Macon County GOP Straw Poll, taken after the spirited discussion forum:

  1. 32 John Armor
  2. 19 Carl Mumpower
  3. 11 Spence Campbell

In the NC Gubernatorial Straw Poll , the results were:

  1. 34 Fred Smith
  2. 5 Bob Orr
  3. 3 Bill Graham
  4. 1 Pat McCrory

I will have video up later, so keep checking back.

The Congressional Debate was the most spirited yet.

John Armor Wins Macon Straw Poll

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FISA Discussion Reveals Sharp Republican Contrast

Posted by Thunder Pig on March 20, 2008

Here is the latest volley in the NC-11 GOP primary from Dr. Carl Mumpower:


FISA Discussion Reveals Sharp Republican Contrast
Armor, Campbell and Shuler in political lockstep

Recent heated communications from each of the 11th District congressional campaigns have illuminated a key policy difference among Republicans vying for that seat, finding both John Armor and Spence Campbell in support of legislation that would, in effect, cover-up illegal wiretapping.

Carl Mumpower, a self-proclaimed “independent Republican,” opposes a controversial component of the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) which would grant additional retroactive immunity to large telecommunications companies (such as Verizon and AT&T). It has been recently revealed that – without warrants or legal authority – these “telecoms” bugged phone calls, intercepted e-mails, and monitored the internet traffic of untold numbers of American citizens.

“The Democrats – with the exception of Heath and a few others – are right on this one, plain and simple,” commented Mumpower. Incumbent Heath Shuler (D-11) is one of only a handful of Democrats to agree with Armor and Campbell in his support of the additional immunity.

Mumpower has held firm in his stand that providing additional immunity to big companies for spying on Americans “dangerously sidesteps the Constitution,” even the face of his opponents’ various characterizations of his position as “garbage,” “irresponsible,” and “foolhardy”.

“If Congress wants to do something real, they should start by doing financial and performance audits on our intelligence agenies and by securing our porous borders,” said Mumpower. “The greatest problem the intelligence community faces is effectively processing and acting on the information they already have. Any additional telecom immunity beyond what they enjoy already is not only a blank check, but a decoy issue that lock-step politicians use to pander to voters’ fears.”

An excerpt from testimony before the United States Senate Judiciary Committee on October 31, 2007 by Edward Black, President of the Computer & Communications Industry Association, offers information in support of Mumpower’s position:

“…Retroactive immunity for participation in the recent secret government surveillance program is premature at best, since this Congress has yet to become well-informed enough to determine whether in fact the NSA surveillance program exceeded legal boundaries established under FISA. If immunity for past activities is granted prior to full disclosure and accountability from the Executive Branch, Congress and the public may never understand the nature of the NSA warrantless wiretapping program.”

“If the rule-of-law, limited government, and the truth are not your priorities, then I’m not the guy to vote for,” cautioned Mumpower. “I try hard to land on the right thing and hold the line…until the right thing wins or new information helps me to reconsider. This is not a time to surrender to pressure…from my own party or my own supporters.”

He continued: “Armchair patriots” who support these new FISA immunities and who are willing to sacrifice the Constitution for illusionary security initiatives are, in fact, enabling our enemies. I will not join the herd just for the sake of doing so, no matter what the personal price.”

(For the full transcript of Edward Black’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, click here.)

—End Press Release—

Campaign Website


I guess that puts me in the armchair general category. It is my opinion that we cannot allow an openly hostile 5th column in our country to openly practice lawfare in pursuit of our defeat in World War IV. Go read the testimony of Edward Black and form your own opinion.

Posted in 110th Congress, 2008, Carl Mumpower, Heath Shuler, john armor, NC-11, Spence Campbell | 1 Comment »

A Substantial Difference Emerges in the GOP NC-11 Primary

Posted by Thunder Pig on March 20, 2008

Well, the primary between the three hopefuls in NC-11 has finally stumbled upon some issue of divergence, FISA.

From Dr. Carl Mumpower:

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Separates
Republican Congressional Candidates

A Monday press release by Republican Congressional Carl Mumpower has stimulated strong reactions from 11th District challengers John Armor and Spence Campbell. “I am not in favor of the immunity found in recent FISA legislation for telecoms or anyone else and I continue to believe that the pervasive bureaucratic dysfunction of America’s intelligence agencies offers few incentives for more hidden powers,” said Mumpower. “Securing our borders, enforcing existing laws, and both financial and productivity audits of our intelligence agencies will do more than allowing the government to expand its veil of secrecy.”

Campbell and Armor share a common ground with a majority of Republican legislators, the President, and even 11th District Representative Heath Shuler. Shuler has come out in support of immunity to telecom companies and made a request of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that future FISA legislation support that goal. Campbell has said that Congress should grant the telecoms immunity, while Armor stated, “I could not disagree with (Mumpower) more – this is garbage.”

“As an Independent Republican, I support conservative principles with full heart and action,” said Mumpower. “I am not, however, obligated to a Republican power structure that continues to betray those values and take short-cuts around the Constitution with actions like this. The rule of law, accountability, and liberty should not be for sale – especially to people who are quick to use the “terror card” to justify or conceal misbehavior.”

“I am fond of Ben Franklin,” said Mumpower. “He said that “Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” I’m sure it could be argued that there are practical justifications for immunity – one can always find a reason to take small steps away from the right thing. This is one of those times when a politician faces the temptation to fall into line with what’s popular or take a principled position and the heat that results. I’ll leave political conformity to others – and keep my eye on the Constitution.”

Carl Mumpower
11th District Republican Congressional Candidate


From Col. Spence Campbell (Ret.):

March 18th, 2008


Hendersonville—US Republican Congressional Candidate Spence Campbell released the following statement on the FISA Reauthorization bill:“As a former career U.S. Army intelligence officer, I know firsthand how important it is that we have solid, reliable intelligence in order to protect this great country and its citizens from harm. We must do all we can to ensure the safety of Americans and the citizens of western North Carolina.“We must not forget that we are a nation at war. There are people who actively seek to harm America, and we must ensure that our government has the tools and resources needed to ensure the safety of us all. “It is the height of irresponsibility for anyone to seek to undermine or try to prevent our government from doing all it can to protect its citizens, especially in a time of war. By criticizing portions of this bill, which allows companies to work together with our government to provide them with critical information and intelligence, is more than irresponsible. It is in fact, foolhardy, and dangerous. Anyone that seeks to put Americans in harm’s way should not be allowed the privilege of representing the citizens of western North Carolina in Congress.”

From John Armor, Esq.:

Mumpower Misunderstands FISA Issues,
Misquotes Ben Franklin

Carl Mumpower, Republican candidate for Congress from the 11th District, has put out a press release saying that the efforts in the US House to extend the FISA Act “demonstrate sharp differences between him and the other candidates.” He is right, but has the wrong conclusion, based on a gross misunderstanding of the subject.

FISA stands for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The ACLU (the American Civil Liberties Union) is using American civil courts in an effort to gut-shoot the government’s efforts to stay ahead of the terrorists seeking to kill Americans in America. It seems that Carl Mumpower has not done his homework before taking a position on this subject.

The quote that Carl Mumpower uses in the name of Benjamin Franklin in his latest News Release is a false quote, although with an ancient pedigree. Mumpower quotes Franklin as writing: “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” This comes from the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania (1759).

However, anyone with a little skill in using an Internet search engine, like Google, can quickly find that the accurate Franklin quote is: “Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” It is both better written, and has a different meaning, than the bad quote used by candidate Mumpower.

“More importantly, Carl Mumpower seems blissfully unaware of what brought about the immunity provisions in the original FISA Act,” said John Armor. He pointed out that lawyers for the ACLU had filed several damage claims against several telecom companies, seeking damages for their cooperation with international security searches as sought by the federal government.


I am afraid that Mumpower has chosen the wrong side of this issue. My impression of the whole FISA argument is that the attempt to deny immunity to the telecoms is part of a lawfare technique used by the enemies of America to weaken, and ultimately destroy her ability to defend against attacks from Islamofascism and Progessivism.

I lump Progressives together with the Islamofascists because both would rather that America not participate in World War IV. They have become allies of convenience at this point.

In a different category, I place “the honest civil-libertarians”: Mumpower, through good intentions (like the libertarians), has found himself trapped by applying a misunderstanding of the issue.

Both Spence Campbell and John Armor understand the necessity of immunity for the telecoms.

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