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Obama Says "Nukes Are Off The Table"

Posted by Thunder Pig on April 23, 2008

Barack Hussein Obama says he will not use nukes to defend Israel, or under any circumstance. I guess that makes him the modern day Jimmy “Held Hostage” Carter.

Presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday he would not use nuclear weapons “in any circumstance” to fight terrorism in Afghanistan and Pakistan, drawing criticism from Hillary Rodham Clinton and other Democratic rivals.

I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance,” Obama said, with a pause, “involving civilians.” Then he quickly added, “Let me scratch that. There’s been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That’s not on the table.”

Obama was responding to a question by the Associated Press about whether there was any circumstance where he would be prepared or willing to use nuclear weapons in Afghanistan and Pakistan to defeat terrorism and al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

“There’s been no discussion of using nuclear weapons and that’s not a hypothetical that I’m going to discuss,” Obama said after a Capitol Hill breakfast with constituents.

When asked whether his answer also applied to the possible use of tactical nuclear weapons, he said it did.

Source: SF Gate

And here is what Hillary had to say about the potential use of nukes:

ABC’s Chris Cuomo asked Clinton what she would do if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons, according to the network.

“I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president we will attack Iran,” Clinton said. “In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”

Source: WND


I had said earlier that I was going to hang the moniker of ‘MacDaddy’ on Obama…I’m thinking ‘Carter’ might be be a better appellation for the naive little…

No wonder terror groups like Hamas and FARC are rooting for Obama to become President. You know, I was extremely pissed at the Democrats (Daily Kos) and Independents for interfering with the GOP Primaries earlier this year and gave John McCain the extra little push that made him the nominee for the party.

Perhaps Senator John McCain is exactly what this nation needs in these perilous times. He has seen the face of the enemy, suffered under the loving embrace by Socialist Vietnamese torturers while Democrats fought to help their fellow travelers win the war against America.

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The Action Club April 2008 Meeting

Posted by Thunder Pig on April 23, 2008

Richard Berner has knocked another one out of the park with his production of this month’s Action Club meeting for his URTV program, Sound Off Buncombe.

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Pauleroids Still Plan Disruptions For The GOP Conventions

Posted by Thunder Pig on April 23, 2008

The Pauleroids (see Ron Paul r3VOLution) have come up with another plan to seize power, and mount another Beer Hall Putsch so their man can become leader of this Republic.

Don’t believe me? Read on, and learn what is being planned for the GOP Convention…

A Strategy

Some Meetups are already giving up hope, but there is a way for us to get Ron Paul the nomination, and it is absolutely doable.

In a nutshell: If enough delegations sit out the first and second vote, McCain won’t get his required majority, and the national convention will become a brokered one- which means anything goes.

There are two main hurdles to accomplishing this:

1. To be even presented for nomination, Ron must be able to “demonstrate the support” of a majority of the delegates from at least five states.

2. Getting enough state delegations to sit out the first two votes won’t be easy but it is totally within the realm of the possible!.

What depresses so many delegates is that in order to even be selected as delegates to go to the National Convention, they are required by state party rules to sign a pledge that they will “support” John McCain. That is not the end of the story, however.

The only consequence of that is that a delegate’s vote for anyone other than McCain will simply not be counted.

That’s all!

There are no legal ramifications for breaking that pledge. There are only possible ethical concerns. These ethical concerns, however, are completely swept aside by the possibility of simply NOT VOTING the first time around.

The RNC’s party rules expressly contemplate and acknowledge that State Delegations may choose to sit out a vote. Rule 37c states:

(c) In balloting, if any delegation shall pass when its name is called, then at the conclusion of the roll call all delegations which passed shall be called in the order herein before established. No delegation shall be allowed to change its vote until all delegations which passed shall have been given a second opportunity to vote.

That means (a) it’s ok to abstain from voting, and (b) the only consequence is that the passing delegation(s) must be given another chance to vote before any other delegations are released from their pledges.

The Big Challenge:

The big hurdle to climb is the requirement of paragraph (b) of Rule 40, which states that in order to even be presented for nomination, a candidate must be able to demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates of at least five states. Here is the rule:

(b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.

The rule does not define what precise “demonstration of support” is required. In other words, it is not necessary that Ron Paul must have won a majority of the “beauty contest” (popular primary) vote in five states in order to be entitled to all their delegates.

What is a demonstration of support?

A candidate can ask that the delegations of five states where he believes he has enough support be polled by roll call so as to enable him to demonstrate that he has the support of a majority of delegates then and there at the National Convention.

That means we have to get to work on the delegates of each state after the state conventions are over.

Many Republicans hate McCain, or at least dislike him.

There is a huge arsenal of issues on which McCain has exposed himself as a sell-out to conservative Republicans: national sovereignty, free speech (McCain/Feingold), amnesty, guns, abortion you name it, he has voted against conservative values on these.

There is also evidence he “sang” in Vietnam, costing untold numbers of his fellow POWs their life.

It should not be too difficult to convince conservative delegates not to vote for him with that evidence especially in light of the fact that the party rules explicitly contemplate the “passing” of votes by state delegations!

The Strategy:

The strategy therefore must be to get as many Ron Paul delegates selected to represent their state at the National Convention.

That means our delegates need to stay low key.

Resolutions are a dead giveaway, especially when they are fought over things like opposition to the war, or abolishing the Federal Reserve and the IRS, all signature issues of Ron Paul.

So, the best plan is to shut up, move along, do what you ave to do to get selected, sign the pledge to “support” McCain (it doesn’t say you promise not to abstain!) and just get in short of outright lying, of course.

If there are any ethical concerns about this supposed “stealth tactic”, think about what ethical concerns you may have if you allow McCain to become president by your inaction.

Old guard Republicans may complain about supposed “stealth” or deception-but what is it their preferred candidates do when they swear in their oath of office to “support and defend” the Constitution and then do the opposite?

What is more unethical?

What is more damaging to the country?

What is more destructive of the very foundation of our government and our way of life?

My question is: As long as there is even a sliver of a chance to get Ron Paul the GOP nomination why give up??

Why resign yourself to debating endlessly about the fine points of endless party resolutions and platforms knowing they are routinely ignored, anyway?

These party honchos and their favorite sell-out candidates constantly ignore and violate even our Constitution! What makes you think they won’t utterly ignore whatever provisions we manage to get into the national party platform?

Is that worth the price of being spotted and “marked for death” by the party honchos at the state conventions? I don’t think so.

Not when you consider what’s really at stake.

So, please, please, please don’t give up! Ron Paul still has plenty of fight left in him at his advanced age. Why shouldn’t we?

Let’s fight for what’s important (Ron Paul winning) – not for what routinely gets ignored!

Source: The Left/Right Knockout written by Alex Wallenwein


I posted the entire article so that you may see that the Pauleroids do not love liberty as they proclaim: They want power. They are obsessed by it, and just like their progressive fellow-travelers, they see the government as the agent of change, and the preferred wielder of power in our daily lives.

Just look at how they fight to destroy the Federal Reserve, and create a State Bank. Can you imagine what Nancy Pelosi and her friends in Congress would do if they were in charge of monetary policy? Look at how they have transformed Social Security from a minor 1% “voluntary” deduction on your payroll taxes.

It now eats up several percentage points, and is “mandatory” under force of law.
If you do not know of very tiny loopholes, your income is sucked into a rathole.

We do not want Congress in control of our money supply, and we do not want these idiots in our party. That being said, I am very glad that they did not try to establish a third party this year, and run candidates for all levels of office…because they might have succeeded in getting a few of their people in office, and critically wounded the GOP this year. As it stands now, it is a fight within the party…and we can manage them much better where we can watch them.

Some of us can even pretend to be one of them without too much trouble. You’d be surprised at much cred they will given a guy, or girl, for waving a sign like an idiot on an overpass.

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